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Pond Report - September 1997


Just a short report of how things have gone this summer with my pond and some new tricks I've picked up. (Just a reminder I have a Top Pond (TP) about 6" deep with a gravel bottom that spill down a waterfall to the Bottom Pond (BP) that is 26" deep on top of 4-6" of gravel. LRB stands for Lava Rock Barrel filter. My remarks will be in Blue).

Keith G Brough's Report 09/25/97 --- Lewis Meeks' Report 09/25/97 ---


If you would care to send a report in on how you fared this summer, send it along and I tack it on here. Share your tricks with us. We're all in this together.

Gösta's Report

Pre Filter

First off I found I needed a good pre-filter before the Lava Rock Barrel (LRB) filter. In Pond Letters I mentioned how I had been using a fairly fine filter pad (cut out of a waxing pad for a commercial floor waxing machine) and that when it got plugged (usually weekly) it increased the suction in places where there were gaps between the pad and the bucket. I lost several nice fish by being caught in the suction.

I eventually removed the pad and replaced it with a grate (made from 1/2" plastic egg crate) that did no filtering but did keep fish and plants from getting sucked into the pump.

My water stayed clean as far as algae growth was concerned but I noticed a "murkiness" developed. Never lost sight of the gravel bottom and could always see the fish okay but they just never "sparkled" like they had with the pad in.

What I figured was the LRB was taking care of the algae problems and the larger particulate stuff just fine but there must have been a really fine particulate (maybe even finer than dust) that was clouding the water. So fine it couldn't be seen with the naked eye.

I solved the problem by putting the pad back on top of the pump bucket and putting the (another) grate raised an 1/2" or so above the pad. That kept the fish from getting close enough to the gaps to get caught.

You may wonder why I didn't just plug the gaps. Well I did that but the suction go so great it collapsed the grate the pad sat on. Further, it then started pulling water (& fish) around the hole where the pump hose come through the side of the bucket. It seemed no matter what I did, it created new problems. I had it so tight that bucket would literally pop to the top of the pond as the water couldn't get through fast enough to feed the pump when the pad began to plug. I have found it better to just leave the gaps. Oh well.

Pumps

Main Pump

I'm on my third (maybe fourth) 2000 gph sump pump ($90) since last summer (June 1996). Dunno what's been happening to them. They just give up the ghost. I saved the original receipt and the box and when it goes west I just return it to Rickles and get an exchange. When they stop exchanging them, I'm going to buy a bigger (3000 gph) heavier duty pump (Beckett - around $150) from Aquatic Eco-Systems. Hopefully it will stand up better.

The smaller sump pumps (1200 gph) *seem* to stand up better. My son has one as do a couple other ponders around here.

Power Heads

Both power heads drawing through the UG filters (300 gph) are still doing fine (over a year now). Had to clean the strainers once or twice but that's it.

Plants

Sagittaria
If you looked at the pictures of my old pond you saw the Sagittaria nearly taking over. It would grow to 3-4 feet high and have to be periodically thinned (2 or 3 times a year). They all got started from a $2 aquarium plant.

Anyway when we rebuilt the pond last June (made it deeper 18-20" to 26-30") we replanted the Sagittaria in the new gravel. It just didn't seem to be as happy (flowers, etc) but I thought it would be okay. It wintered okay but just never took off again. Two or three plants grew up out of the water this spring but they never flowered and eventually died.

I figure the reason they died was one of several things:

  1. They were originally in a dirt/sand bottom and just never took in the fine gravel. (Maybe)

  2. The water was too deep (26") for them to prosper (they came from 18-20"). (Unlikely)

  3. The water quality was too poor for them. (Unlikely as most of the plants in the top pond prospered.)

  4. I had introduced a lot of small koi and they bothered it. I never noticed them bothering the plants but I've read they are hard on plants. (I figure this is the most likely reason)

Anacharis
Other years I've had so much anacharis I was giving it away. Like the Sagittaria I started with a small bunch 10 years ago. It prospered so much I'd have to take some out (once a whole 5 gallon bucket full). Each year it sank to the bottom as the water chilled and floated back up when it warmed in the spring. This year, very little survived. It didn't flourish in the TP either (course the Parrot Feathers overwhelmed it up there.) Damn shame, it used to get these really neat little white flowers.
Lilies
I had a couple of lilies from the old pond and replanted them. They both died and I don't know why. They put out leaves but just didn't last long this summer. I believe it must have been the koi again.

I had bought three mail order (Pond Lilies). Two I planted in the BP and one in the TP. The two in the BP did nothing (died) and the one in the top did well. It was planted in dirt in a container. Towards the end of August, I filled a 5 gal bucket with topsoil and transplanted it to the BP hoping it would winter over better in the deeper water (top pond is only about 6" deep). When I transplanted it had over 40 leaves and 2 or 3 flowers. It put out some new leaves and a couple flowers in the BP but now looks raggy as all get out and I don't think it's going to survive.

Parrot Feathers
I got three small bunches of Parrot Feathers in the spring and put one bunch in the BP and spread the other two around the top of, and just behind, the waterfall. The bunch in BP just sort of withered away while the ones in the TP went absolutely nuts. Initially in early June the leaves were yellowish instead of bright green. They were growing okay but I just didn't think the color was too healthy so I added some fertilizer to the water. Didn't seem to help much so I asked around the Net and a woman who was into gardening but not a ponder suggested a nitrogen deficiency. I looked around and the highest concentration of nitrogen fertilizer (19%) was Jobe's spikes for evergreens. I threw a couple or three of them in and in mid July the parrot feathers went clean berserk. The TP looks like it's wearing some sort of ecological afro. They completely took over the TP have nearly covered the waterfall with runners 2-3 feet long hanging down the front of it and hanging over the sides. From above it looks like a Brazilian rain forest.

Hyacinth

Every other year I had hyacinth, I swore I would never get it again as it always grew uncontrollably and I was constantly weeding it out. Well this year I couldn't even get it to grow and the couple I had just turned brown and withered like they were burned up from lack of water (this was before my nitrogen solution). I have no idea why because it didn't matter where I had them, in the TP, BP or on top of the LRB. No difference anywhere.

Next Year

What I thought I'd do next year is plant some lilies in bigger buckets to bring them closer to the surface (6-12") and put some plastic coated wire fencing around the top of the bucket to keep the koi out.

Fish

I had a spell early this spring where I was losing 5 or 6 fish every week (floaters) and I couldn't figure out why. I thought maybe it was because I was using shallow well water (maybe contaminated) so I changed water with city water (chlorinated) but no avail. After 4 or 5 weeks the dieoff stopped. I'm still puzzled why.

Noticed a few fish with lesions that went away after I put in 20 lbs of SEA SALT. I guess the iodine and other stuff cleared them up.

I did lose a lot of smaller fish (minnows & guppies) to a catfish my wife had in school and put in the pond when school closed. She claimed it was eating fish in her tank in school but I scoffed at her. "Catfish ain't meat eaters, they're algae eaters." Claimed the resident fish expert (a retired commercial fisherman who shall remain nameless in this discussion). At any rate I found out later (after my population thinned out and he doubled in size) that when they get a certain size, they start eating meat. He musta ate a couple dozen small goldies or more and at least 50 minnows. That sucker was big enough for an early bird special at Denny's before I finally caught him.

I have 3 nice lionhead goldfish that have grown nicely over the summer. I just hope they winter okay. My population currently stands at about 25 goldfish, many going on 2 years old, a half dozen or so nice shebunkins 1-2 years old, two dandy large (12"+) golden koi, maybe a dozen assorted koi culls(this year), half a dozen small fantail goldies, a couple black moors, and assorted minnows, guppies, etc; all in the BP.

There's 50 10 centers in the TP (I'm assuming there all still there as I've found no bodies and can't see anything except around a small hole where the LRB discharges because of the Parrot Feathers. When I put feed in I usually see a half dozen or so around the hole but no telling how many still alive all together.

One thing I noticed about fish in the TP is they always hide and are seldom seen (even before the Parrot Feathers). I don't know why that is unless it's the shallow water that makes them nervous. They don't act that way in the BP.


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Keith G Brough's report

At 07:03 9/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Gosta,

>Read your pond report and noted that you have had some problems this year too. As you may remember I was having a lot of problems, mostly because I started off knowing little or nothing about the art of keeping a pond with fish.

Yeah It seems I have problems EVERY year and I've been at it over 10 years. One of the things keeps me interested I guess.

>I have learned a lot, a lot from you - thank you - , and now have a pond that is clear for the first 18 inches, and getting better by the day, of its 3 feet depth. I can actually watch the fish swimming about and eating the food we put in, and the plants the crispus is being stripped to just twigs. The Ghost Koi are the worst offenders, they also root about in the pots despite the two inch stones in the top.

Probably koi are what's killing my plant stuff too. Like I said I'm gonna try fencing them off next year.

>You mentioned in your report that the Hyacinths were burned up. Well when the Ph in my pond was so high one of the problems was that the water hyacinths were going brown at the edges and dying back, and the lillies faded and died back. Also a number of fish died, one with its gills stuck shut, and the water developed a brownish hue, that is when it wasn't bright green when the algae started. So perhaps you have a Ph problem.

I'll look into it. I have a ph tester and back in May, June when I was having the fish dieoff, I checked it frequently and it was running right around 7-7.5 but I'll test it again today. Good idea. thanks.

>I have used a commercial product to clear the algae, which it is doing - hence the 18 inches of clear water. I only put the fish back into the main pond a week ago having sorted everything out. During the months I have been putting all the things right, and building your larva barrel filter, I have talked to lots and lots of people and one of the things I have been introduced to is a product called 'Oclear'. I mean to use this when the Algae bloom starts next spring, and will let you know how good or not this is.

As I've said I don't use any of that chemical stuff. I promise you if you build the LRB filter (and your pond is under 3,000 gals) your water will be crystal clear without any chemicals to kill algae AND stay that way. I'll bet the Algaecide kills any beneficial bacteria buildup in your filter at the same time it kills the algae.

>I suppose that now I have got the pond right the Heron, we have a group living in the area, will pay a visit. I have put a few bolt holes in the pond for the fish (big pipes and tunnels that they can hide in) and hope that they use them if the bird puts in an appearance. Up to now the pond has been so cloudy even a Heron wouldn't have been able to see the fish.

Trouble with the damn herons (and other marauders) is that they traumatize the fish so they are *always* hiding and you seldom get to see them. Only thing my friend has found effective is light bird shot and even then it comes back after awhile. He even built a net affair over his pond and the damn thing dismantled it. Real problem. Friend is thinking of going to buckshot (will kill the bird rather than sting it) but he really doesn't want to.

>Next year, if the pond doesn't stay clear, I will add the gravel box that you describe in your web page. Unfortunately putting gravel on the bottom of the pond isn't an option due to the unevenness of my pond. When I built it originally I made the bottom different depths and slopes etc. Well it was built as a duck pond! So I will join the list of ponders who say "When I build my next........"

Know exactly what you mean. {grin}

>Once again thank you for your help, encouragement and information. I will hopefully continue and get some real pleasure from my pond in 1998. I >currently only have some 16 fish but will get some more in the spring. I was looking at some sturgeon the other day and was most impressed. They are the nearest thing to the Space cruisers from the Empire Strikes Back that I have ever seen, the design must have come from them I suppose. I really must get a couple in the spring.

Sturgeon, huh? Neat idea. Are you in the States? Don't believe I've ever seen a sturgeon here in a fish store. Will have to keep my eyes open. Used to catch one once in awhile when I was fishing. My father used to catch a lot of them in the Hudson River when he was shad fishing there 50 yrs ago.

>Well must close it's time to make a cup of tea and get my wife out of bed.

TTFN
Keith G Brough
Semper in Faecibus Sumus Sole Profundum Variat

I'll take a stab at it - "We are bound together in a profound truth". Was I close? {grin}

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Lewis Meeks' report

Pond Report Sept 1997,Good
Comments-,I just put my pond in this June. It is 3 1/2' deep, 8'wide and 15'across. I have really enjoyed adding plants and goldfish.

I have a bucket in the bottom which contains my pump that is surrounded by lava rock. This seems to help with the filtering. I also have a biofilter behind the waterfall. I have been able to see the bottom all summer up until about a week ago when the water seemed to get a little cloudy. I can still faintly see the bottom though. The bottom of the pond is full of oxygenators and I think that has been a real plus in keeping the pond so clear. I have two lilies and several marginal plants. I also have hyacinth, water lettuce, and frogbit. Eleven goldfish call it their home and love to follow me around the pond. Several frogs have also found their way into this haven of rest! I am getting ready to begin my fall maintenance but am a little unsure just what I can leave in the pond and what has to come out. Time to get out the old pond books and find out! I would welcome suggestions!

Thanks for your page and e-mail. I appreciate knowing that there are others like me!!!

Lewis,

All I do for winter is take out my pump and drain the filter and hoses. Your pond is pretty big (I'd bet around 4-5,000 gals) and your bio-filter sounds like it's doing a decent job but I'll bet if you made the LRB Filter this winter and added it in the spring, your water would stay *crystal* clear (mine does) and you could have a lot more fish too.

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Keith G Brough's report


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